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All these religious therorys!!
Why is everybody trying to pin the tail on the donkey. Isn't it true that there is a ramping up of things in this world today. More things happening in the heavens, more things happening on the earth. More rumours of war, more disasters, more people living as in the time of Noah. If I were a prophet I would warn you but there is enough to know that there is plenty going on and to the believer he would have to be living under a rock not to notice. So don't attach your theory to it and say this is gotta be it. You'll know when it happens! Just be ready.
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All these religious therorys!!
Why is everybody trying to pin the tail on the donkey. Isn't it true that there is a ramping up of things in this world today. More things happening in the heavens, more things happening on the earth. More rumours of war, more disasters, more people living as in the time of Noah. If I were a prophet I would warn you but there is enough to know that there is plenty going on and to the believer he would have to be living under a rock not to notice. So don't attach your theory to it and say this is gotta be it. You'll know when it happens! Just be ready.
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I asked a question a couple months ago through messenger, but didn't get a reply. Could you explain who Melchizedek was in Genesis and how that ties in with the Order of Melchizedek in the N.T. and finally, the bread and wine used in the Mass as noted in the Gensis reference? Thanks in advance ... See MoreSee Less

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GEN 1.21 “And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it ...

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Genesis 1: 7 Days Of Creation Versus Genesis 2: The Eden “Account”; Noting The Differences The first 2 differences that I think are important to note from an overview perspective are: a) Adam and...

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Genesis 1: 7 Days Of Creation Versus Genesis 2: The Eden “Account”; Noting The Differences

The first 2 differences that I think are important to note from an overview perspective are: a) Adam and Eve are never mentioned in Genesis 1 and b) Genesis 1 utilizes Elohiym for God while Genesis 2, after verse 4 and after day 7, utilizes Lord God or Yhovah Elohiym, whereby a new narrative begins on the Eden account.

1) Day 5: water then teems with life and the sky gets filled by birds that seemingly are created from the water: “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky.” 21 I would also note the KJV actually translates the birds being brought forth from the water. So It seems God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their kinds, including every winged bird according to its “kind” Genesis 1:20-21

However the Eden account states the birds are made from the ground: “Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them” Genesis 2:19

2) Day 3 : plants are created on Day 3, but in the Eden account Adam is created before the vegetation: “When the Lord God made the earth and the heavens– 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground– 7 the Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.8 Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed.” Genesis 2:4-8

3) Day 6: Man is created in plural male and female at the same time and in numbers (them), but Adam is created in singular in Eden account and Eve is created in singular from Adam’s rib at a later point in time. Day 6 does not discuss anything about the rib, or multiple female creations from the rib from the men. Day 6 humans are also told to multiply and fill the earth immediately, but Adam and Eve do not conceive until after Eden (Gen 4) and do not immediately spread out to fill the earth, nor are they instructed in this manner after being banned from Eden; only that Eve would become the mother of all the living (perhaps those who are to be resurrected). Adam and Eve are confined to Eden, but Adam first, and some time later, Eve after she is created from Adam’s rib. “Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him;male and female he created them” Genesis 1:26-27.

4) Day 6: Seemingly the humans created in plural were like gatherers and hunters: “God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food” Genesis 1:28-29.

One could read this passage as: only vegetation, trees, etc. they gathered was to be their food, or that both the animals and the plants they ruled over was to be their food, from over the entire earth (as opposed to just Eden), which they were to subdue and rule over. Whether you conclude they were hunters from this or not, you must conclude they were gatherers of wild vegetation for food at the minimum. This is important because Adam and Eve were agrarians/farmers in Eden and were after as well. They were also vegetarians not permitted to eat meat until after the flood (Gen 9:3). I will come back to the agrarian versus nomad/gatherer comparative shortly.

5) Day 6: Humans were instructed: they could eat of any and all trees of the earth, but Adam and Eve were not permitted to eat from the fruit of the Tree of Life. “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food” Genesis 1:29. Now perhaps the Tree of Life does not have fruit with seeds, but we are not told that and seemingly from the text any seed bearing plant or fruit was for food: “I give every green plant for food.” And it was so” Genesis 1:30.

6) The Eden Account: “This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the Lord God made the earth and the heavens– and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the Lord God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground– 7 the Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.” Genesis 2: 4-7 and “The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die” Genesis 2:15-17.

The shrub of the field are orchards, while the plant of the field are grains, which are about to be worked/farmed by Adam, and then later also by Eve. Adam is to work the ground; grow crops for food. The Eden account marks the genesis of agrarians and farming, which begat civilization as we know, and it carried on after Eden by Adam, Seth, and Cain.

7) Now let's look at Gen 1:28 in the KJV and take back Hebrew:

“GEN 1.28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.”

Replenish from from what? Why replenish the earth and not fill just fill the earth as the But theNIV says:
“God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground” Genesis 1:28.

These two translations point out that “replenish” or “Malav” in original Hebrew can be translated either way: fill or repopulate; and therefore dependant on the context. So if you are a gaping renewal of the earth fan in Genesis 1:1 then replenishment would fit. Seems both Bibles take opposite positions on Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:28 where NIV suggests a renewal and KJV in verse 1 does not, while in verse 28 KJV says replenish and NIV says fill. Strange indeed. Here is the original Hebrew:

{h4390} male', maw-lay'; or malae, (Esther 7:5) maw-law'; a primitive root, to fill or (intransitively) be full of, in a wide application (literally and figuratively): accomplish, confirm, + consecrate, be at an end, be expired, be fenced, fill, fulfil, (be, become, X draw, give in, go) full(-ly, ly set, tale), (over-) flow, fulness, furnish, gather (selves, together), presume, replenish, satisfy, set, space, take a (hand-) full, + have wholly. Transliterated: male' ; maw-lay' or mala' ( Esther 7:5 ) Pronounced: mawAlaw' a primitive root; TWOT 1195 ; v Trans. & freq. in the AV-fill 107 times, full 48 times, fulfil 28 times, consecrate 15 times, accomplish 7 times, replenish 7 times, wholly 6 times, set 6 times, expired 3 times, fully 2 times, gather 2 times, overflow 2 times, satisfy 2 times, misc 14 times; 249 occurrences of Hebrew word in AV 1. to fill, be full a. (Qal) 1. to be full a. fulness, abundance (participle) b. to be full, be accomplished, be ended 2. to consecrate, fill the hand b. (Niphal) 1. to be filled, be armed, be satisfied 2. to be accomplished, be ended c. (Piel) 1. to fill 2. to satisfy 3. to fulfil, accomplish, complete 4. to confirm d. (Pual) to be filled e. (Hithpael) to mass themselves against

8) The Eden account and naming the animals: “Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man” Genesis 2:19-22.

This is a very strange passage if it is supposed to be the same account as Days 5-6, let alone Day 3. First: now seemingly the animals and birds were made after Adam, and the text 4 through 18 preceding seemingly back this up stating Adam was created and placed in Eden beforehand and before shrubs and plants of the field we're created if you extrapolate this to the entire earth.

Secondly, why are the animals named now? Why were they not named at the time of their creation by God or by the angels, just as Man was called Adam? Very strange indeed. How did the ruling angels of the earth refer to these animals before this?

Then we learn no suitable helper/partner could be found. Wow! From what people or being or animal was the helper being searched from? And, the solution to the helper or partner was a woman created from Adam’s rib, thereby suggesting the text rejected other humans, or beings, or animals, and likely Day 6 humans who were made in plural, and at the same time, and instructed to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Further, this partner is then utilized to create marriage and to reproduce progeny as a suitable helper; so Eve is much more than just a helper but a partner and wife: “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh” Genesis 2:24.

If you want to view the search for a suitable helper/partner as an animal: yikes! Not sure I like that idea. And, why then would Day 6 people created in plural not be suitable, if we toss out the notion of an animal as a suitable helper/partner, or another kind/species of being? Makes you ponder what was going on here for sure. Additionally, if Day 6 people were not already created, why would a search have been done for a helper or partner? This would make no sense unless you presume the partner would be angelic, but that would violate the laws of creation as noted in the consequences of Genesis 6.

Now consider the word "Account" or "Generations" and/or other words employed to lead off Gen 2:4 and ultimately to tell the account/generations of Adam. The original Hebrew word and its alternative possible translations for account/generations is/was " toldah", to-led-aw'; from 3205 ; (plural only) descent, i.e. family; (figuratively) history: birth, generations. Transliterated: towldah ; to-led-aw' or toldah Pronounced: toAledAaw' from 3205 ; TWOT 867g ; n f pl Trans & freq in the AV-generations 38 times, birth 1 time; 39 occurrences of Hebrew word in AV 1. descendants, results, proceedings, generations, genealogies a. account of men and their descendants 1. genealogical list of one's descendants 2. one's contemporaries 3. course of history (of creation etc) b. begetting or account of heaven (metaph).

To this end the Bible documents Adam (singular until Eve is created from Adam’s Rib) and his/their account from first in Eden, then outside of Eden with the Cain and Abel account and then the full generational account of Adam in Genesis 5. The sum of all these contrarian points places the Eden “account” out of whack with Day 6 people and creation narrative unless they are different stories. Two distinct narratives is the only way in my conclusion to make the contradictions disappear and bring the complete early Genesis account into harmony with itself. My understanding finds Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 unreconcilable with differences. And, I do not believe the Bible contradicts itself. Thus I conclude 2 distinct human creations were recorded and perhaps the solution to the 4 races.

Hence, two distinct human creations explicates the very strange account of Cain: “Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.”15 But the Lord said to him, “Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over.” Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.17 Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch” Genesis 4:14-17.

Who does Cain need protection from as he wanders the earth? Only Adam and Eve and Cain at this point exist if we accept Genesis 2 as a rebelling of Genesis 1; and the earth is very large. Strange indeed. Secondly, why does God seem to agree about the immediate danger and beyond and provide a mark of protection by God Himself?Further, why protect the first murderer if no one else is on the earth? Then, who does Cain take a wife from? Adam and Eve did not produce a daughter for quite sometime seemingly after Cain is banished.First Seth has to be born and later came daughters and more sons: “When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters” Genesis 5:3-4.

Who was Cain building a city for? There was just Cain, his unaccounted for wife, and Enoch (the evil). Surely a house and a fence would have been adequate, unless there were more people. It would have been years and years before Cain would have produced enough progeny to need a city. But if there were 2 creations of humans, the events start to make sense with out conflict.

When Did Sin Enter the World?

“ROM 5.12 Wherefore , as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned : ROM 5.13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. ROM 5.14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.”

Sin was not imputed (taken into account) when there is no Law, so before Adam and before he and Eve ate of the Tree Of Good And Evil, and so even though sin was in the world before Adam, the Law was not in place before Adam and his transgression against the only Law of that time not to eat of the Tree Of Good And Evil. Hence sins were not taken into account or reckoned before that
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